Retirement plan changes

Nope…bragging about the 401k that you built up with a company match. Then suggesting that company match should be eliminated (when less than 10 years from retirememt) and telling the folks coming up behind you that they just lack the personal responsibility put back money for retirement and forgetting that YOU had your company matching 80% of your contribution for the duration of your employment.

A person working there for 25 years gets a company match of almost $400,000 during that time (if they max out their 401K). So a different guy coming up would be $400k behind bears. Any extra money comes from take home pay. Meaning they don’t live as well as he was allowed to live, and they don’t have a benovlent employer giving the a few hundred grand over the course of their employment.

Bears can be a prick at times, but KC and wmj are pretty much letting their dislike of him get in the way of common sense here.

Nobody fucking said that!!

Not guilt tripping anybody. I don’t begrudge Bears anything for what he has earned or where he is in life. I just find it amusing how he faults what has benefitted him. It would be like a waiter who works in a five-star restaurant and gets beaucoup tips complaining about tipping.

Saying something should not be mandatory does not mean you are against it.

Bears prides himself on his savings discipline, but overlooks that he has had A shitload of help that he feels others should not have. He also bitches about unions, but that union pension he has will insure that his heirs have a nice little nest egg when he passes because he just won’t be using it much. I say that because even with my meager pension and social security, I won’t have to touch my savings until I am forced to. I’m gonna guess that he will find himself in a similar situation.

Lol …yes, I’m against taxpayers bailing out corrupt unions. Are you for taxpayers giving the unions $36 billion?

The union doesn’t represent their members out of the goodness of their heart, I pay dues every month, it’s over $1,000 a year.

Did you two not see my comment in this other thread? It was a reply to BRobbs.

Bears can be a prick at times, but KC and wmj are pretty much letting their dislike of him get in the way of common sense here.

Did you two not see my comment in this other thread? It was a reply to BRobbs.

True…but if a comnpany doesn’t offer it, the person coming up behind him lacks personal responsibility if he accepts a job at a place that has decided not to match (maybe even eliminated the match, which happened under the best president we’ve ever had) because he SHOULD have found an employer who offered it. At the same time, he abhors unions, yet lives somewhere where he is required to belong to a union and suffer under all the benefits that gets him. He has told me NUMEROUS times that if I don’t like Kansas and want to work for a union to move…but that advice doesn’t apply to him because of “family”. He holds people to standards that even he doesn’t have.

Edited to add.,…read his reply two below this one.

By finding a job that offered the pay, benefits, location, etc that I want?

BTW you do realize I have to show up and actually work to earn my paycheck and benefits, right?

I thought you have a pension, how can that be if you’re not in a union?

Also if unions are so wonderful why did you choose to not be in one?

I answered that. YOu feel I should move. You abhor unions, yet you won’t move. See the double standard here parrot.

Only on days that end in Y.

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NO you didn’t.

He never said that.

KC brought up Bears. I just added to his comment. Call it my contribution to the natural evolution of this thread. :grinning:

Yep, that’s what millions of people have done. Are you at the first job you ever worked? I think you’ve mentioned your daughter worked at Starbucks years ago, why didn’t she stay there? My guess is she got an education in order to get a better paying job doing something she enjoyed doing.

More natural evolution. No, I didn’t work for my fist job forever. but I worked at my last job for 20 years. How long have you worked at your current job, or is this the first job you ever had?

Did you move to a better paying job, the exact same or worse?