Red States Accelerate Push for No Income Tax

[billinin]

@crparrothead

Ya, I am pretty sure even with OSHA’s problems, we probably shouldn’t get rid of it.

Ok are there redundancies at the state or federal level?

[billinin]

@kcflyer

and that would lower the spending by 1.5%. So your portion of the federal tax reduction would be more than offset by the increase in state taxes. And with no state income tax (as the title of this thread discusses) I wonder how much property and sales taxes would increase.

Well I sort of hi-jacked the thread and am looking at an overall picture. I just don’t see the need and the resulting taxation that is caused by redundancies.

[crparrothead]

@billinin

Ok are there redundancies at the state or federal level?

Absolutely!!
Most Federal Law Enforcement could be curtailed significantly.
Dept of Labor at the Fed level is pretty useless.
I could probably think of more.

[kcflyer]

@billinin

Well I sort of hi-jacked the thread and am looking at an overall picture. I just don’t see the need and the resulting taxation that is caused by redundancies.

Redundancies or not, the states get a LOT of money from the feds. And we hate taxes. If we slashed every program to the bone and stopped sending money to the states and let them do it themselves, the impact wouldn’t be pretty. Without the federal tax, states will have to have more revenues or they will have to cut their programs drastically. Let’s say that farmers need to get their crops to market. Right now, it’s a 50 mile trip to get to a bridge that crosses a river. The state got some federal transportation funds and the state was going to augment that with some state transportation funds (redudancies). This would have built a bridge that would cut that from 50 miles to 5 miles. If we yank the federal funds…the state will have to find more SOMEWHERE in order to build that bridge.

So the voters send representatives to congress who vowed to cut taxes. They send legislators to the state who vowed to cut taxes. They elected county officials who vowed to cut taxes. That’s a lot of tax cutting. If the fed level reduces and the state level reduces and the local level reduces…where does the state get that money to build that bridge? At some point the votes will be asked to vote on a tax increase… How many folks do you see doing that?

[billinin]

@kcflyer

Redundancies or not, the states get a LOT of money from the feds.

Thats the point, why does the fed get that much money in the first place. Reduce the redundancies in services and let the states provide a lot of their own services.

[billinin]

@billinin

Ok are there redundancies at the state or federal level?

@crparrothead

Absolutely!!
Most Federal Law Enforcement could be curtailed significantly.
Dept of Labor at the Fed level is pretty useless.
I could probably think of more

Exactly, now help me convince brother KC.

[kcflyer]

@billinin

Exactly, now help me convince brother KC.

That isn’t what I am saying. I am saying that all these red states that want to abolish a state income tax rely on a lot of federal spending. Fine…slash it. I’m only saying that they will need. Even in glorious Texas and Florida - about 1/3 of their revenues come from the Federal government. Pull 1/3 of the revenues and will they still get by with no income tax? Because something will need to fill that void. Where do they get it?

[crparrothead]

@billinin

Thats the point, why does the fed get that much money in the first place.

You would have to restructure the entire tax code and seperate what States and Fed are responsible for.

[Weenut1]

@kcflyer

I dunno…In my state, Johnson County has 620,000 taxpayers. Clark County has 1933. Who would have the better schools?

Johnson County, KS public high school have a Graduation Rate of 92% , which is more than the Kansas average of 87%.

Demographic Data for Clark County, Kansas
Clark County Kansas
High school graduation rate 93.7% 91.4%
College graduation rate 30.4% 33.9%

clark county is better

[billinin]

@crparrothead

You would have to restructure the entire tax code and seperate what States and Fed are responsible for.

Let’s get to it.

[Bears54]

@billinin

Thats the point, why does the fed get that much money in the first place.

The federal government should take care of things like defense, securing our borders (lol), interstate highway system, protecting citizens constitutional rights and a few other things. Most things should be funded and handled by the states.

[crparrothead]

@billinin

Let’s get to it.

I am 100% in favor a Constitutional Convention.

[kcflyer]

And Clark county won’t thank Johnson county for funding their schools. They rely on other peoples money, then again, we are a red state and the other peoples money that WE spend is good. And yeah, when you are talking about a group of over half a million and another less than 2,000, that smaller group tends to do better.

[Weenut1]

@kcflyer

And Clark county won’t thank Johnson county for funding their schools. They rely on other peoples money, then again, we are a red state and the other peoples money that WE spend is good. And yeah, when you are talking about a group of over half a million and another less than 2,000, that smaller group tends to do better.

Yeah that wasn’t your point and you know it.

[jimtoo]

@crparrothead

I am 100% in favor a Constitutional Convention.

Which is the only way it all can be addressed and why it will likely never happen. The Feds measure their power and control by how much money they have to spend, and they spend it to get reelected.

[kcflyer]

@Weenut1

Yeah that wasn’t your point and you know it.

What was my point? A lot of federal money for education went to Clark county. If we eliminate the state income tax and we eliminate the federal government funding state issues, where will they get their money? I said nothing about the quality or the graduation rate…I only asked where the money would come from in a no tax nirvana.

[kcflyer]

@jimtoo

The Feds measure their power and control by how much money they have to spend, and they spend it to get reelected.

Yep…it’s why Iowans bitch about Pelosi and her wasteful California spending, yet send Chuck Grassley back over and over and over again. The “energy initiatives” that Grassley and others have passed are the reason 90% of the gasoline sold has ethanol in it. And those folks in California point to the wasteful spending on corn in Iowa and bitch. I guess it all depends on whether "wasteful spending’ (which damn near every Republican runs against) benefits your state.

[butler]

@crparrothead

I am 100% in favor a Constitutional Convention.

I have been pushing for that for a decade…there are several things in the Constitution that need revisiting.

[crparrothead]

@jimtoo

and why it will likely never happen

Thanks for ruining my dreams Dad!!!

[jimtoo]

@crparrothead

Thanks for ruining my dreams Dad!!!

Sometimes it hurts to be an adult.