Cruises

do you think cruises should eliminate formal nights since so many people don’t observe them

Guess I’d just leave that to the market. I’ve been on two cruises. We did one the first time bc wife wanted to. But in general, I’m a pretty casual person.

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We did one cruise many years ago, that was enough. I don’t recall that it had a formal night, but might have had to wear a tie one night. On writing that, I don’t think I’ve worn a tie in the last 15-20 years.

Went on a cruise a couple of Christmas’ ago.
I liked the formal night , didn’t really care what other people did

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Agreed. Up to the cruise lines. If they assess that their interests would be better served eliminating them, then so be it.

I did formal night on my first and second cruises (one with wife and friends pre-kids, and one with kids and another family), and have not bothered since.

I wouldn’t miss them if they went away, and don’t really care whether they continue or not.

my husband and I loved cruises and went on over 30 of them while he was alive in our earlier days of cruising formal nights were not just Dress code, but part of an overall experience which included a gourmet dinner and a live band over the years. The food was not the same, and there were too many people To have that dining experience and the type of bands they used to have.

I’ve been on 6 cruises and loved the formal night. I even rented a tux to wear on one of them. It was kind of a ‘date night’ that made the whole thing special.

Maybe it’s snobbery, but I don’t like the changes to flip flops and tank tops in the dining room. For us, even the “non formal” nights, we wore something akin to “business casual”. But with cruise ships now carrying 6.000 passengers, it’s more like a floating bus.

As long as you are all talking about cruises:

Should cruise lines ban more passengers?
https://www.elliott.org/forum/should-cruise-lines-ban-more-passengers/

It’s interesting how many young men don’t know how to wear a tie. My friend asked if I could have a man class for her son and some of his friends.

Teach them how to shave, tie a tie, etc.

When I worked in Drug Court I facilitated an employment class.
One of the things I did was teach how to tie a tie and had a hand out with instructions.

A few years back we were ridding ourselves of clothing we weren’t likely to wear, which included ties I was unlikely to wear again. I thought I’d try to tie one. Despite the decade+ since I had last tied a tie, 35 years of muscle memory got it right on the first try (even the length, although I don’t know what’s the fashion for that today).

Depends on who you ask.
Do you tie a four in one hand or a windsor?

I think it was a 4 in hand. I did learn that from my dad, oh so long ago.

My kid meets with hospital executives as part of his job and I made sure that he knew how to tie a tie, but even the executives don’t wear ties. When my kids at the office he can wear a bathing suit, tank top and his Birkenstocks but when meeting with clients it’s dress pants and a long sleeve dress shirt.

My son’s first day as an intern at NASA he wore a tie, about halfway through the day the guy who he was shadowing told him, “you can lose the tie dude”.
I wear a tie about twice a month, if I have a meeting with some high ranking peole.
I may pull out a bowtie this weekend for m nephews wedding.

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I can only remember wearing a tie twice in the last ten years, both times were to funerals.